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this is need to know real talk about\h
the reality of unidentified aerial\h\h

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phenomenon from australia ross\h
coltart from the us bryce zabel

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hello and welcome to need to know i'm ross\h
coulthart in australia back from an absolutely\h\h

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frantic road trip around the continental usa with\h
my sidekick and co-host bryce zabel in los angeles\h\h

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g'day bryce hey good day roscoe that was really uh\h
not only fun but i thought we covered some really\h\h

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great territory and i'm i'm extremely excited\h
to show that to the people in the next few weeks\h\h

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can i confess the one thing i'm not excited\h
about is what you americans do to people on\h\h

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domestic airlines i just cannot believe how they\h
squash people into your airlines in continental\h\h

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usa well now we need to make one thing very clear\h
me i'm not responsible for american airlines any\h\h

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more than you're responsible for kangaroos being\h
in the road so we're just gonna have to let that\h\h

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one fly or lie now as you and i both know bryce\h
it has been a momentous absolutely momentous month\h\h

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both in general uap news but also in things that\h
you and i have been digging into and i'm really\h\h

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excited because probably in about two weeks\h
time i'll be bringing a major new documentary\h\h

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to australian television which will be released\h
internationally which features some of your and\h\h

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my interviews with people that we've been\h
doing here in the united states with you\h\h

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and i'm also really excited i think this\h
program we really have to focus on the momentous\h\h

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proposed legislation that is part\h
of the continuing efforts by certain\h\h

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key congress people and senators to try to ensure\h
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are held to account on uaps i cannot emphasize\h
more how important this new legislation is\h\h

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it's a cracker well if it if it passes and it gets\h
through i mean this is legislation that the senate\h\h

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intelligence committee i think has forwarded uh\h
for approval in in its tough new language i mean\h\h

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we thought last year the language that was uh\h
put forward was pretty tough this is uh i guess\h\h

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it goes beyond tough to mind-blowing on some\h
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1947 in this language which you know it's just\h
like let's face it everyone who's listening to\h\h

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this knows 1947 because we've talked about it so\h
much it's ground zero for the ufo story it's when\h\h

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kenneth arnold saw his first sighting it's when\h
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when the the national security act was passed it's\h
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military i mean it's a big time big deal and and\h
it's not coded at all there it is in the language\h\h

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saying you will go back and talk about that and\h
there's so much others i mean so many other things\h\h

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um just to follow up though quickly on what you\h
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we literally got in a car a few weeks ago and\h
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people who we thought would be very important in\h
helping to lay out this story so we kind of took\h\h

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a a an extra week off in between our our shows uh\h
for good reason i think because we were finding\h\h

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some stuff that we'll be able to share with\h
people in longer form over the weeks to come\h\h

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but i just wanted to say thank you to channel 7 in\h
australia and yourself ross because it was really\h\h

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a terrific experience to be part of this and and\h
i think when people see uh your follow-up to that\h\h

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excellent first documentary you had that came out\h
last year this one will be equally mind-blowing\h\h

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look it's great look i freely admit i'm delighted\h
that a major tv network like the seven network\h\h

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which is australia's number one tv network is\h
prepared to back an investigation into uaps\h\h

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it's only to be applauded and it's such\h
a rare thing frankly in mainstream media\h\h

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and and you're right one of the things that really\h
mattered for me on this trip bryce was not only\h\h

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getting to meet you on in person properly for the\h
first time but the ability to actually meet people\h\h

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eye to eye there's nothing like breaking bread\h
and shaking hands with people and for me it was at\h\h

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least yes right yeah it was a real turning point\h
to be in washington dc talking to people um i'm\h\h

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quite struck and quite optimistic now much more\h
optimistic than i was before that the congress\h\h

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the senate particularly they've they've got teeth\h
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and the intelligence community have been very limp\h
sluggish to say the least in their response to the\h\h

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previous gillibrand rubio galago law which\h
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uaps the um armed services and the intelligence\h
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they're really going hard with these new\h
legislative requirements that are going to\h\h

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push the defence and intelligence\h
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it is shocking and one of the things uh that you\h
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uh in our past episodes has been what will it take\h
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be triggered to tell what they know uh and not\h
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or anyone and that seems to be something that\h
the senate language is addressing there is an\h\h

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attempt to to allow people to uh speak\h
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in the ufo field and and not fear that they will\h
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that happens i mean that is that is game-changing\h
because uh for people that have been watching the\h\h

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january 6 committee hearings you see someone come\h
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but then you need to verify the story so now\h
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being brought in if that starts to happen in the\h
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then others are going to say well i want to hear\h
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have snowballing witnesses and if they're being\h
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then the whole area that we're talking about could\h
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you bryce and let me tell our listeners and our\h
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i am now very very sure that we are going to\h
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legacy programs well now that's interesting i i\h
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to lower your voice and slow down on that one\h
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question i have for you um when you put whistle\h
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question a whistleblower tends to make me think\h
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in government issues regarding uap but some of\h
these legacy programs have come and gone but\h\h

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they themselves prove uh you know what what has\h
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the past years are you suggesting that there are\h
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who would also be coming forward from some of\h
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confident about is that there are people who claim\h
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and i won't say whether they're still serving or\h
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the reason why they're prepared to come forward is\h
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secure system for government or ex-government\h
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them to legally report secret ufo data it's\h
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in july and our good friend dean johnson who has\h
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he's explained this and what's really momentous\h
is that you know in america right now there is so\h\h

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much division between the two major political\h
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and yet this was passed without debate and without\h
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year national defense authorisation act so that\h
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gallagher and it's really exciting because you've\h
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the senate to basically push this issue through\h
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proposed laws to put into the uh the legislation\h
they are i mean i'm so excited about it because as\h\h

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yes as you say it insists on a historical analysis\h
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there is what is it the government accountability\h
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quite a tough regulatory oversight agency it's got\h
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need to triple underline here is in a time where\h
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evenly split as it can be politically here is an\h
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others that i can't think of a single one that\h
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and it does not get turned into a political issue\h
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forward then then it could go very quickly i\h
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knapp who was also an investigative reporter and\h
i just saw a quote from him the other day and i\h\h

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just want to read it to you because he's he's\h
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clear that somebody has been sharing information\h
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there are people who have met with them and have\h
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programs that have materials and by materials i\h
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but intact craft and remains physical remains of\h
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for a long time i know that there are a couple\h
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stuff down to the point of the buildings where the\h
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if they are protected and now this legislation\h
indicates they will be protected as whistleblowers\h\h

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that their security clearances will not be revoked\h
and it's pretty exciting so thanks to george knapp\h\h

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for laying that out so clearly and it's exactly\h
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interesting is this is not just some wild uh wish\h
from people who uh you know are on ufo twitter or\h\h

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wherever uh this isn't some wild wish where we're\h
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these are major people in washington dc who\h
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being having information withheld but they're\h
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now the other things bryce that's very exciting\h
is that whatever happens in this legislation\h\h

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there is now officially a stake through the heart\h
of aoi nsg the ridiculous acronym that was given\h\h

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by the pentagon to the um uh uap task force\h
replacement and it's now called arrow or arrow\h\h

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and the proposal in the new legislation is that\h
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aerospace undersea that's new by the way phenomena\h
joint program office because the fact that they're\h\h

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flagging undersea is a completely new development\h
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the private briefings that have been given\h
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uh but then over time people have suggested we\h
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and now with this legislation it appears that\h
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unidentified aerospace undersea phenomena as you\h
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away with saying that's still uap because\h
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i don't buy it i think we're going to come to know\h
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aerospace undersea phenomena or it\h
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it might and by the way uh i just wanted because\h
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of uh aoi msg or amesog as uh andre carson\h
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i just want to remind people okay everyone has\h
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to 69 and then of course when the new york times\h
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atip and then most recently became the uap task\h
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is calling it what it is it was the uap task force\h
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the department of defense said we don't like\h
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and now we have a-a-r-o which i think is the\h
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that because at least you can pronounce it you\h
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task force now bryce the thing that i think\h
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legislation that is still not passed by over the\h
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there is clear dissatisfaction from the u.s\h
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the pentagon and the intelligence community have\h
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and it's quite amazing i mean i've this is really\h
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is that within six months of enactment the\h
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intelligence and the uap office director will\h
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minimum representatives with all necessary and\h
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the nsa the department of energy the nro national\h
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the defense intelligence agency the national\h
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requires them as they've previously been required\h
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share the uap data with the uap office and it\h
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report on uap that is to be submitted to congress\h
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it's also going to tighten the screws as dean\h
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each element of the intelligence community provide\h
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the uap joint project office which is\h
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by legislation accountable for whatever they do i\h
found reading uh the the proposed language uh the\h\h

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thing that started it uh was a good old-fashioned\h
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found kind of refreshing because it's one thing\h
to say we we are expecting you to do something\h\h

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and then years go by and we've seen this happen\h
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happened to that and it just got left left aside\h
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saying uh not this time we're going to hold you\h
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um organizations that have to play in that in that\h
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off the list because if you did it off the top of\h
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for it but but there's going to be some talking go\h
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the most important now this is in the context\h
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is the memo that its provenance is obviously\h
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but this is a memo that suggests that if there\h
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the government it's being hidden inside private\h
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and that's where this legislation has really\h
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would require a system where former or current\h
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employees of government contractors will be under\h
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topic for uh three decades uh now and this\h
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things to ourselves it was like talking amongst\h
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official them in the media was silent and now\h
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my friend there is more but we'll have to bring\h
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is that when a lot of let's say these events were\h
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companies they wanted to profit off of it and many\h
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set it aside and they decided okay we're going\h
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what this is all about because if we do then maybe\h
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right we're back uh i'm bryce abel ross coltart in\h
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professor gary nolan who is almost ubiquitous on\h
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openly as he seems to be talking not only is he a\h
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in black who ask you to go away and talk to the\h
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the cia show up who wanted to him to investigate\h
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people in cancer research here in australia\h
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of a lot of the issues behind the uap phenomenon\h
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our reality is yet to be completely understood i\h
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the reference in the proposed new legislation\h
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important i mean this that connection this mystery\h
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things moving at speeds a dozen times faster than\h
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the department of defense that i write about\h
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fact that it is capable of manipulating\h
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any theory out i mean there's no law that says\h
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people like professor nolan there is increasingly\h
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phenomenon we need to understand that whatever it\h
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previous podcasts why going back over history\h
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for an increasingly uh sophisticated and high\h
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different terms about the phenomenon and that will\h
uh allow people to speak more openly about it in\h\h

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the public forum and i i agree with you by the way\h
too bryce about the fact that the extraterrestrial\h\h

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phenomenon the notion of um off-planet life forms\h
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least because of cases like the betty and barney\h
hill case that i know you have some high degree of\h\h

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expertise in and i understand you also got some\h
news on that map i do have a little bit of news\h\h

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and it's not it's not what i would consider great\h
news um uh as you know i'm i'm interested in the\h\h

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betty and barney hill case i've investigated it uh\h
i have a uh kathy martin and stan friedman's book\h\h

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captured under option for a dramatic television\h
series so i'm into it and i did a lot of research\h\h

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while i was writing the pilot for that particular\h
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that it wasn't john fuller who wrote the\h
interrupted journey who really broke the story in\h\h

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a big way it was an investigative reporter named\h
john latrell who did it the year earlier and um\h\h

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and also um there's also been a lot\h
of talk that somehow betty and barney\h\h

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were not being public with their story until\h
the the whole thing blew up on them and and then\h\h

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and that it was the reporter that did this and\h
and the truth is that's not true and there's a\h\h

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sign in new hampshire to mark the betty and barney\h
hill case that says these two things it says they\h\h

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were not public with their story and the story was\h
leaked by the boston uh traveler well obviously\h\h

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journalists don't leak stories people leak them\h
to us so i wrote the new hampshire department that\h\h

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was in charge of that sign and said i think your\h
sign has two factors in it and they agreed with me\h\h

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and we talked about this i think on our first\h
our first or second podcast and they said we're\h\h

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going to change that sign so i just heard\h
from a journalist who was writing an article\h\h

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for new hampshire magazine and uh i said you\h
should really call these people and find out\h\h

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when they're changing that sign and he did and\h
because of budget cuts and pandemic and things\h\h

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like that they said it's probably still five years\h
out so i don't know uh but but it was interesting\h\h

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and you know i know we got to wrap this one\h
up i just want here's a here's a way to get\h\h

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into our next um segment when i hear gary nolan\h
speak um i find him and i don't mean this in a\h\h

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i'm not trying to make fun of him i'm just saying\h
i wondered when i heard him is gary nolan the new\h\h

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lou elizondo and by that i simply mean that lou\h
elizondo's been so ubiquitous talking about this\h\h

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that he's almost overexposed uh certainly\h
in the podcast world he's overexposed\h\h

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and on tv he's been the one go-to guy i think\h
it's time for some other voices to come forward\h\h

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and i think the gary nolan voice is an example\h
of what we're now going to start seeing more and\h\h

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more and some of those people as you you know tie\h
back to the beginning are going to be testifying\h\h

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and we're going to be hearing from those people\h
i agree with you bryce and and clearly what lies\h\h

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behind all of this is the issue of what are\h
the implications of disclosure what are the\h\h

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implications of what comes out of this imagine\h
if out of this senate congressional inquiry\h\h

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a truth emerges about a non-human intelligence of\h
advanced technology that's been on this planet for\h\h

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many many thousands of years that's what\h
we're exploring next on need to know

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stay with us we're back in a\h
moment because you need to know

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hello and welcome back to need to know now\h
we've been exploring in this week's podcast\h\h

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the implications of the proposed legislation\h
that's coming up before the congress which\h\h

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if enacted is momentous in its implications\h
it suggests very strongly and this is what\h\h

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my sources have told me in my little foray in\h
washington in my little road trip with bryce it\h\h

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suggests very strongly that there may very well be\h
soon whistleblowers coming forward before the us\h\h

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congress at least in private hearing and perhaps\h
also in public hearings to reveal a lot that we\h\h

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don't know about the uap issue perhaps it\h
might have something to do with a non-human\h\h

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intelligence that's been on this planet for some\h
considerable time now what are the implications of\h\h

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that now fortuitously serendipitously my colleague\h
bryce zabel has written a book with richard dolan\h\h

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another respected podcaster and uap researcher\h
called after disclosure and bryce what are the\h\h

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implications oh what happens what happens if\h
if somebody comes up in congress and admits\h\h

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for the first time what a lot of people are\h
hinting at and i know the debunkers scoff\h\h

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but we are now in uncharted territory we're now\h
in territory where officials uh insiders like\h\h

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gary nolan are using the a word the alien word\h
they're suggesting very very strongly that the\h\h

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best explanation for what we're seeing here is\h
possibly a non-human highly advanced intelligence\h\h

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what is the implication from that well i prefer\h
not the a word but the d word and by d word i'm\h\h

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talking disclosure it's something i've been\h
thinking about all my career uh the first film\h\h

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i ever wrote was called official denial and\h
it was on sci-fi channel and it was literally\h\h

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about the concept of uh the story focused\h
around disclosure what would disclosure mean

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let's take a walk

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you're not crazy mr cordless they're here

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and you've been keeping this a secret you think\h
the president should go on tv and tell us all\h\h

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about it i think that would be a good start\h
and what would you have him say mr chorus\h\h

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that alien intelligence and technology invades\h
our airspace at will abducts our citizenry and\h\h

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performs surgical procedures on them but\h
we don't know who they are how to stop them\h\h

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but it flies in the face of reason\h
mr chorus it undermines religion it\h\h

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undermines authority and in fact is nothing more\h
than a prescription for blind and mindless panic

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i mean well what is disclosure in the context\h
of uap disclosure is when the majority of the\h\h

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world or most people in the world accept\h
that we're not alone and that some form of\h\h

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interaction between humans and a non-human\h
uh is happening and you know i used to think\h\h

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that would be a long time in coming that's why i\h
built the dark skies tv series around it i had a\h\h

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head of majestic 12 whose position was the\h
people can't handle the truth and the guy\h\h

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working for him said the people have a right\h
to know which is the essence of the disclosure

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and so um you know about 10 years ago rich dolan\h
and i uh wrote a book called a.d after disclosure\h\h

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because i i felt like there's been about 5 000\h
books written about ufos all sort of trying to\h\h

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prove that they're real and i thought\h
wouldn't it be interesting to write a book\h\h

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where instead of proving they're real you\h
assume that they're real and you talk about\h\h

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how the world is going to change once we all buy\h
into that can i just stop you for a moment let's\h\h

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i want to know what you think personally do\h
you think the evidence is in are you convinced\h\h

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on the data i'm not asking for your belief i'm\h
asking you for your your knowledge on the data\h\h

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do you think we're in a position now to be able to\h
say with any confidence that there is a non-human\h\h

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intelligence on this planet well if you're talking\h
about data that i personally have access to or um\h\h

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the average ufo uap researcher has access to maybe\h
not yet at that level that's a very high threshold\h\h

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um but do i think that data exists of course i do\h
that's why the senators we talked about earlier\h\h

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are running around like their hair is on fire\h
because they have seen beyond data they have seen\h\h

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video that's hd uh that's more than a few seconds\h
and they've seen craft and they've heard stories\h\h

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from good sources about not just as george knapp\h
said not just crash wreckage but actual craft and\h\h

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bodies so yeah i think that that data because i\h
think a body a body laying in a in a warehouse\h\h

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is data to me it's not data doesn't have to be\h
something always that i measure off a a radar\h\h

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or something so yeah i think it exists anyway so\h
i i i think that it does exist but i don't think\h\h

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it's available to us yet to where we can say\h
disclosure has happened i know some people like\h\h

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to say well disclosures already happen not really\h
the government has admitted that uap is real\h\h

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and that we probably don't make it in neither\h
does russia or china but that's different than\h\h

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tossing out the word non-human intelligence um\h
but to answer your your larger question i think\h\h

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that there are going to be some severe changes\h
i always you know ross i don't know have you got\h\h

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have you seen uh dr strangelove in your film\h
history okay great film george c scott plays\h\h

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general buck turgidson and he's talking to the\h
president in that movie and he says he's talking\h\h

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about uh what's going to happen if we have a\h
nuclear war and i think it's very analogous to\h\h

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what would happen after disclosure targets and the\h
general says to the president in case of nuclear\h\h

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war he goes i ain't saying we're not going to\h
get our hair must all right and and i think that\h\h

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ready or not here comes disclosure we're going to\h
have to deal with it and our hair is going to be\h\h

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must and we're going to probably go horde toilet\h
paper again and many other things that we've done\h\h

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in the past do you think there will be the panic\h
i mean one of the big excuses that i've heard\h\h

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from some insiders about why this has been kept\h
secret for so long if it's true right if there\h\h

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isn't non-human intelligence on this planet the\h
big excuse is that the public can't handle the\h\h

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truth well immediately global mass panic yeah and\h
that goes back to uh orson welles doing the war of\h\h

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the worlds broadcast in 1938 thinking that some\h
people believed it was real and were panicking\h\h

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the answer to your question i think is going to\h
be some people will panic and some people will not\h\h

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panic sort of like how they respond to virtually\h
everything the question is um how much panic does\h\h

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it take before you get disruption so let's say\h
that after disclosure so many people are glued\h\h

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to their television sets watching what what is\h
being said about this that about 10 percent of\h\h

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the workforce or 20 of the workforce doesn't\h
show up for work for a week or 10 days all right\h\h

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well some of that 10 or 20 are going to drive\h
gasoline trucks and they're not going to make\h\h

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their deliveries and some people aren't going to\h
get gas and then those people are going to say\h\h

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oh my god supply chain because the aliens and\h
then yeah there'll be some trouble but i i think\h\h

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disclosure is something that you can look at\h
very closely over a short term period and say\h\h

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i don't know that i'd call it panic that i\h
would call disruption massive interest but\h\h

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then i think we're going to enter a period where\h
we're going to watch society reform itself around\h\h

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this reality that we're not alone and by that\h
i mean we're going to hear about the government\h\h

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the government's going to change medicine's\h
going to change politics is going to change\h\h

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space exploration is going to change the\h
military is going to change the law is\h\h

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going to change i mean you remember after 9 11\h
we said well everything's going to change and of\h\h

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course it didn't really all change after 9 11. i\h
believe after disclosure it all really will change\h\h

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now the implications of this uh we know\h
already there are admissions on the record\h\h

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in the congress from the pentagon we know already\h
that there are objects some people say craft i.e\h\h

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intelligently controlled vehicles doing\h
things that are way beyond known human\h\h

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physics and the implications of those so-called\h
five observables are that someone or something\h\h

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some entity is getting energy in a way that we\h
don't get energy that's got implications for\h\h

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our fossil fuel industry so that's one hit so the\h
other the other one is um positive lift you know\h\h

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we're talking about anti-gravity clearly whatever\h
this technology is if it's real something is\h\h

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displaying in those five observables positive\h
lift anti-gravity a type of propulsion system\h\h

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far beyond known human science what's the impact\h
of particularly the energy the free energy\h\h

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capability the unlimited amounts of energy that\h
clearly must be being harnessed by these vehicles\h\h

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if indeed they are vehicles many people think that\h
is the crux of the biscuit and why it's been held\h\h

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secret for so long because one thing we can pre\h
pretty well be sure of whether we're talking about\h\h

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tic tacs or or you know any of these craft that\h
have been seen doing any of the five observable\h\h

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observables is that they're not flying around on\h
gasoline right they're not they're not filling up\h\h

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at the local uh shell station uh before they\h
go out and do their maneuvers which means\h\h

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there's an entirely different energy source that\h
is available to whoever is operating these craft\h\h

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and this is what would revolutionize things\h
the thing is we know for a fact that there\h\h

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is something displaying this this capability\h
we don't know who it is this is the mystery\h\h

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we don't know who it is but clearly something\h
someone some entity is displaying this capability\h\h

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and precisely that's the issue that is the issue\h
but it but but that is also why we don't have\h\h

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full-on full d disclosure because acknowledging\h
that somebody is flying these craft out there\h\h

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is one thing but that is not disclosure of who\h
they are right so we're still not there to the\h\h

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we are not alone disclosure we have we have inched\h
up and put our toe in the water just where we're\h\h

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willing to say there are craft that are doing\h
things we're not aware of and we don't know\h\h

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who's making them but but it's still an open uh\h
question at least from the government spokespeople\h\h

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that somebody human could be making these things\h
which i would argue still would be a radically\h\h

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transformative thing to find out about uh in\h
in the near future and and it would obviously\h\h

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involve a lot of humans lying about things and\h
so as you and i have said repeatedly i certainly\h\h

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hope it's to human technology i mean i hope\h
that the united states has developed this in the\h\h

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black and that we're sitting on positive lift\h
vehicles that are capable of anti-gravity and\h\h

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incredible energy resources i just don't think\h
we are though i i just it just doesn't square\h\h

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with what i've been told and frankly what you've\h
been told and and what the people that you know\h\h

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the most authoritative people who have been\h
studying this and commenting on it are people\h\h

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who just don't believe that i you know from\h
if you take the gary nolan's and and people\h\h

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who have uh are now outspoken about this i don't\h
think any of them are really buying into yeah it's\h\h

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china or russia that did it because they know\h
full well that this has been a phenomenon at\h\h

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least since the 40s when china and russia weren't\h
doing it and i don't think many people think we're\h\h

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capable of doing that right now because if we were\h
we would certainly be employing more aspects of\h\h

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that technology and our own military defense so\h
uh i i don't buy it i think it is somebody else\h\h

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um i don't know that it's et but i do think\h
it's probably a non-human intelligence\h\h

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big question bryce and probably the final question\h
because we've got to keep the segment short\h\h

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can we handle the truth i think that is the\h
essence it's i wrote an entire television\h\h

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series on that very topic i've obsessed about it\h
my entire career i've i talked to people about it\h\h

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constantly i remember the first time you and i met\h
on a zoom that was one of the issues that we were\h\h

494
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:05,920
kicking around and um i i guess where i come down\h
on it is um i hope so i hope we can handle the\h\h

495
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:12,320
truth i'm an optimist i believe we probably can\h
at the end of the day handle the truth uh i know\h\h

496
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:19,040
that this is going to be a radical transformation\h
that will be in the history books forever it will\h\h

497
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:25,600
completely change our world and uh i you know\h
i hope that we can get through that transition\h\h

498
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,440
one of the reasons that richard dolan and i\h
called our book a.d after disclosure the ad for us\h\h

499
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,880
was more than after disclosure we were trying\h
to say look we were in a bc world the before\h\h

500
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:45,600
confirmation world and we were transitioning to\h
a after disclosure world and i i think that that\h\h

501
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:53,760
that's the the issue there um we are going\h
to we are now living in the beginning stages\h\h

502
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:00,880
of that transformation and right now most people\h
don't pay too much attention to it the people who\h\h

503
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,160
do pay attention to it openly ask that question\h
so i i want to end by just answering your question\h\h

504
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:14,240
can we handle the truth we better i think we can i\h
think we will i think like buck targets them we're\h\h

505
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:21,200
going to get our hair messed uh up a little bit\h
on this thing but i i really think at this point\h\h

506
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:28,160
in history there's not a lot we can do to stuff\h
this one back in the bag it's it's on way out for\h\h

507
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:34,640
all the reasons that we've spoken about uh in the\h
17 podcast prior to this one and at the beginning\h\h

508
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:41,200
of this one which is for reasons that will\h
historians are going to have to figure out later\h\h

509
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,520
there is a change afoot and a congress\h
for example and and the scientists uh\h\h

510
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:53,920
as another example who have been able to put\h
this aside and either ridicule it or ignore it\h\h

511
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:59,760
all these years that's changing scientists are\h
starting to study it and our representatives\h\h

512
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:06,080
are starting to demand answers and i don't think\h
it's up to only scientists and politicians it's\h\h

513
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:11,840
up to people like you and me and the rest of the\h
media and people average people who are i guess\h\h

514
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,040
listening at this point right now we all have a\h
role in what future we want to build out of this\h\h

515
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,480
i think in closing bryce i'm going to refer to\h
a wonderful speech that your president reagan\h\h

516
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,040
gave to the united nations where he talked about\h
what would bring the world together and he talked\h\h

517
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:38,000
candidly and i suspect it was done with a degree\h
of informed information from the inside he talked\h\h

518
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,400
candidly about how he thought that what would\h
bring the world together more than anything else\h\h

519
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,640
was the realization that we are not alone in this\h
universe that there is indeed another intelligence\h\h

520
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:55,040
out there so i'd like to leave on a sense of\h
optimism do you agree that indeed there might be\h\h

521
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:01,200
the one thing that could bring us all together\h
is the realization that we are not alone well\h\h

522
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,640
i'm going to i'm going to end on your optimism but\h
i'm going to uh call back to your ronald reagan um\h\h

523
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:12,560
yeah ronald reagan remember saw a ufo in 1974\h
and chased it with his plane that he was in\h\h

524
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,800
um so he he knew firsthand that it was was\h
real but i here's how i would uh put it\h\h

525
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,800
reagan was famous in his negotiations with the\h
soviet union for the phrase trust but verify\h\h

526
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,600
so i i almost think that is\h
relevant to the optimism idea\h\h

527
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:36,720
we need to be optimistic we need to trust but at\h
the same time we have to have our eyes wide open\h\h

528
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,600
we have to study this as intensively as anything's\h
ever been discussed or studied before and we all\h\h

529
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:49,840
have to come together as quickly as we can\h
which might mean that the ultimate disclosure\h\h

530
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:57,200
of of a uap reality from a non-human intelligence\h
may be the one thing that puts human beings on the\h\h

531
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,720
same side of the equation and and starts to\h
end some of this this terrible division that\h\h

532
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:09,520
we've had i think at that note we come to the\h
end of this edition of need to know but i like\h\h

533
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,000
the fact that we're ending on optimism\h
thanks chris we'll see you all next time

534
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535
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